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No concept lies more firmly embedded in our national character than the notion that the USA is "No. 1," "the greatest." Our broadcast media are, in essence, continuous advertisements for the brand name "America Is No. 1." Any office seeker saying otherwise would be committing political suicide. In fact, anyone saying otherwise will be labeled "un-American." We're an "empire," ain't we? Sure we are. An empire without a manufacturing base. An empire that must borrow $2 billion a day from its competitors in order to function. Yet the delusion is ineradicable. We're No. 1. Well...this is the country you really live in.

Some of these facts are just jaw-dropping. Recommended read.

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Date: 2005-03-02 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mckitterick.livejournal.com
Jesus W. Bush but is that embarrassing. I'm cross-posting this.

Thanks,
Chris

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Date: 2005-03-02 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rysmiel.livejournal.com
What surprises and saddens me is how many Americans this comes as a surprise to; in that these sort of figures have more or less always been pretty common knowledge in the social circles I moved in when I lived in Britain and Ireland. [ for the US and for Britain or Ireland as the case may be. ]

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Date: 2005-03-02 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chernobylred.livejournal.com
Foreign applications to U.S. grad schools declined 28 percent last year. Foreign student enrollment on all levels fell for the first time in three decades, but increased greatly in Europe and China. Last year Chinese grad-school graduates in the U.S. dropped 56 percent, Indians 51 percent, South Koreans 28 percent (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004). We're not the place to be anymore.
This is also largely due to the fact that it is a freaking nightmare to get anyone over here anymore. INS has made it so difficult for students to come here that, frankly, it's just not worth the trouble for most of them anymore. Our department hasn't suffered so much, but schools like Engineering are really feeling it. Even our resident alien professors are having problems getting back in the states after going to overseas conferences. One prof (from the Communications dept., I think) spent two months trapped in Hong Kong because the US wouldn't let him back due to some paperwork screw up. Never mind that he was scheduled to teach two classes, had been teaching here for years, blah blah blah. It's awful.

Honestly, if I was an international student looking for schools outside my home country, I wouldn't bother trying to apply to a U.S. school.

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Date: 2005-03-02 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalmn.livejournal.com
what did _snow crash_ say? software engineering and pizza delivery?

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Date: 2005-03-02 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magentamn.livejournal.com
Three million six hundred thousand Americans ran out of unemployment insurance last year; 1.8 million--one in five--unemployed workers are jobless for more than six months (NYT, Jan. 9, 2005).

Not a statistic I wanted to be part of, but I was: 8 months unemployed in 2004, due to a lay-off.

I am utterly disgusted by the health statistics. But not surprised.

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Date: 2005-03-02 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skylarker.livejournal.com
That's downright scary. I wonder how hard it is to emigrate to Canada?

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Date: 2005-03-02 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skylarker.livejournal.com
I don't think I'd qualify. As a skilled worker I'd have to have two college degrees or a PHD (rather than the one BA and 2yr certificate I have), a confirmed offer of employment in Canada, and a second language or family connection in Canada in order to get enough points - according to the chart on the site you cite. Plus they knock off points if you're over 49 or under 21.

Yikes!

Date: 2005-03-03 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huladavid.livejournal.com
I've got the family connection (my sister, who imigrated in the early '70s), but I turn 49 in May! Better talk to my sister

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Date: 2005-03-02 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] haniaw.livejournal.com
None of this is news to us non-Americans. That is why the constant "We're No. 1" stuff being shouted at us all the time is so damn annoying and insulting.

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Date: 2005-03-02 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pegkerr.livejournal.com
It was news to me that 20% of Americans think the sun revolves around the earth, and 17% of Americans think the earth revolves around the sun once a day.

Good grief. The election of George W. Bush seems somewhat more explicable.

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Date: 2005-03-02 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] em-h.livejournal.com
I'm kind of touched by the 17%. It's like they've picked up some tiny smattering of scientific knowledge somewhere and are really striving to make sense of things but not quite getting it. Or, you know, they have a vague memory of learning something in school about the earth rotating and the sun and days, and this is the best they can do with it. This kind of weird fragmentary "knowledge" is probably not at all specific to the US.

As for the people living in the geocentric solar system, I just don't know. This sounds more like some sort of religious strangeness.

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Date: 2005-03-02 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quiller77.livejournal.com
What [livejournal.com profile] haniaw said. Political analysts tend to think that the next successful applicant for "No. 1" will be China, by 2020 or 2030 at the latest. Welcome to the 21st Century. A note to the U.S. government: if you want to get along in this old world, try working with the rest of us instead of demanding we do it your way.

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Date: 2005-03-02 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mkathryn.livejournal.com
Okay, so, I understand the point of the article is to make Americans realize that we aren't that cool. But for those of us who already believe that we're average among nations, it just makes us feel bad. I'm perfectly happy to accept and understand that America isn't the best, but it rankles to persistently hear Americans (and sometimes other citizens of other countries) talk about how disgusting our country is. I'm not suggesting "love it or leave it" or any such backward idea, but rather that before we celebrate our mediocrity to gloat to hyper-patriots, we remember that America is our country and that we should be doing our best to make it a better place and that, comparatively, it's not a horrible place to call home. Not the best, but not the worst.

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Date: 2005-03-02 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mkathryn.livejournal.com
eep. Wanted to mention that none of that was meant to disparage Peg or anyone who has commented, it's just a topic I've been thinking on for a while, and the opinion I've formulated.

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Date: 2005-03-02 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] haniaw.livejournal.com
I got the feeling that the article was not intended to make Americans feel bad but instead to be a kind of reality check. I certainly don't think America is disgusting. I think that the people are terrific, the society in general is pretty good, and that the current government sucks :-). I think the takeaway from this is to realize where things can be improved and then go and improve them.

I very much disagree

Date: 2005-03-03 12:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huladavid.livejournal.com
"I'm not suggesting "love it or leave it" or any such backward idea, but rather that before we celebrate our mediocrity to gloat to hyper-patriots, we remember that America is our country and that we should be doing our best to make it a better place..."

Actually, I don't really feel like this _is_ my country. Not quite 20 years ago the Supreme Court said that queer people like me don't have the same rights as straight people (Harwick vs. George), and only recently did they reverse that decision. (Which I expect that to last, oh... maybe all of 20 minutes after Bush makes his SC appointment.)

"Not the best, but not the worst."

And this is good enough?

Re: I very much disagree

Date: 2005-03-03 02:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mkathryn.livejournal.com
You have a point. I guess, I would be proud to live in Ireland or Canada or Britain or Scotland (or many other countries for that matter, but as the only other language I have much knowledge of is Arabic, I couldn't express my pride very well or live very easily in many other countries) so I don't see what wrong with being content to live in America. When I say that America is not the best it's because I think that if our country treated EVERYONE equally and provided health care to all we'd be a heck of a lot closer to the top than we are now. But there are places I could live other than here which would also be a lot worse. While queer people like us didn't have the same rights as straight people until recently (and I'm 20 so I know that I haven't had enough life experience to equate mysself with you on this one, and I'm not trying to) it has still been a better place to live than a lot of the world, where we could be killed for not being straight. I'm not well traveled, so maybe I just don't know it, but I don't feel like French people or British or Chinese or Indonesian or Egyptian people write in their newspapers or get on their computers and talk about all of the ways that their country sucks, so I don't believe that it is necessary for us to take on the mantle of detesting America because some of our fellow citizen are obnoxious enough to loudly proclaim it the best.

And I agree about the school spirit level of patriotism, I just don't like to think that liberals are the students who never get involved in the school and who sit in the very back bleachers at the pep rally sneering at the cheerleaders because the football team gets more money than the science club.

I don't think most people are like that, like I said, it wasn't addressed to anyone here, but I know many people like that. Most of LJ seems to be quite politically involved, however, and trying to fix things rather than simply looking down upon them.

I am reminded...

Date: 2005-03-03 01:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huladavid.livejournal.com
...of going to an anti-war rally (this was back in the days of the "first unpleasantness in the sand") and hearing a couple of jock-boy counter protesters yelling, "We're Number 1. We're number 1". I just looked over and yelled back, "Honey, this ain't a football game."

I was actually thinking about this today, and my take on "patriotism" is that waaaaaay to many "Murricans" operate only on the "school spirit" level. If you ever express anything other than a desire to pimp for the USA, they look at you as if you've fallen out of a tree...

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Date: 2005-03-03 02:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] airemay.livejournal.com
Wow. ~_~

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